AMD Athlon 64 X2 too big for ninja revB?

chuangzu · #1 (**permalink**) 05-08-2008, 11:09 PM

Hallo, I have Ninja Plus RevB on my girlfriend's computer, it is an AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ dual core Manchester chip (socket 939), Gigabyte GA K8NXP-9. I put Vista on but it keeps crashing to BSOD

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Now I took it off today and had a look and the trace of the thermal grease shows the heatsink on the bottom of the Ninja is not covering the entire chip by about 2-3mm on each side, so I'm guessing the exposed part of the chip is running hot and causing the crashes cos this is known as a hot chip. I measured the chip and it's approximately 37.5mm x 37.5 mm whereas the Ninja baseplate is only 36mm x 27mm usable area as the edges appear to be curved and not in full contact with the chip surface.

Is there some modification of the Ninja that will make a bigger base plate on the heatsink or something to completely cover the cpu?

I am very pleased with the Ninja on my own computer (Q6700) and would like to get it working if possible on this other box even though I know it's an older chip.

Now I am looking at the review of the all copper Ninja and the baseplate looks bigger and doesn't have the curved edges, can someone tell me the dimensions of the baseplate contact surface for this new model plz?

chuangzu · #2 (**permalink**) 05-13-2008, 11:58 AM

Hello, is anybody home?

On holiday?

Shinigami · #3 (**permalink**) 05-13-2008, 12:19 PM

Hi,

well, you got the first Ninja PLUS and we worked out a couple updates since then.
Let's get through some of the mentioned points. The part you see on top of the CPU is not the DIE nor Chip. It is a IHS (Integrated Heat Spreader), which is built to spread the heat, that's it. It does not have to be covered fully. The DIE of the Athlon 64 X2 is covered more than enough which means it will be cooled as it should. The new version was modified and is rather square now, the base is thinner and is nickel plated. Ninja PLUS Rev. A is still good enough for a X2 on socket 939, check the temps please.

Indeed, we had a public Holiday on Monday

chuangzu · #4 (**permalink**) 05-13-2008, 12:44 PM

Thanks for the information, I hope you had a nice day off.

Now on the box it says "Revision B", the model number is SCNJ-1100P. Is this not Scythe Ninja revision B type?

I will replace it and check the temperatures but there is a great deal of crashing almost every time it is booted up, usually this is associated with overheating.

What are the exact dimensions of the area which is in contact with the processor for your "all copper ninja" please? I like the look of it and I may well go for one of these if it will help bring the core temperature down?
How about the "Scythe Universal Retention Kit", would that do anything to increase the area in contact with the heatsink? Does it have "bolt through"? Are the bolts spring loaded? Is there a heatsink/cooling element on the rear of the mobo at all?

Shinigami · #5 (**permalink**) 05-13-2008, 01:01 PM

Hey, thanks, it was pretty nice, even it is rare to have a public Holiday in Germany.

Sorry, the Ninja CU is also different compared to Ninja PLUS (A & B). The Base dimensions are 38x38mm. The performance of Ninja CU is better as you can expect. To be honest with you, it is not necessarily the Overheating that brings down the System.

It was running fine before Vista, right?
Did you check BIOS Temps?
Did you check if the Cooler is sitting tight?
Was something changed recently, new hardware?
More details appreciated to solve the problem.

You can buy a Ninja CU, but ou might have some hard time to get it, because it is a very limited edition of 5000pcs worldwide. As I said, we sell Ninja PLUS for a long time and Athlon X2 is getting old as well, but it is not a problem to not cover the whole IHS

chuangzu · #6 (**permalink**) 05-22-2008, 11:10 PM

Ok I am using Coretemp and it's idling at about 35 deg C per core. Even under load it's not maxing above 45C.
Now I have the ninja copper

and I put that in, I was very careful to make sure of good contact with the IHS of the chip. It's idling around 32-36 deg C now even after several hours and it's been a warm day. The base plate is much bigger and has a nice and shiny machined mirror finish contact surface. I've stepped the processor down to run at 1600mhz and still problems but anyway if coretemp is accurate I'm guessing the problem is not with the Ninja but as you say probably the mobo, chip and Vista64 simply don't get along.

Now I have put heat spreaders on the ram and a ram cooler plus an extra case fan and I've switched off the extra graphics stuff with Vista to run for performance only, so far so good fingers crossed.

Thanks anyway for your concern and your follow-up email that was very thoughtful.
Cheers.

#1 (permalink) 05-08-2008, 11:09 PM
chuangzu Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Midlands, Great Britain Posts: 4	AMD Athlon 64 X2 too big for Ninja Plus RevB? Hallo, I have Ninja Plus RevB on my girlfriend's computer, it is an AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ dual core Manchester chip (socket 939), Gigabyte GA K8NXP-9. I put Vista on but it keeps crashing to BSOD . Now I took it off today and had a look and the trace of the thermal grease shows the heatsink on the bottom of the Ninja is not covering the entire chip by about 2-3mm on each side, so I'm guessing the exposed part of the chip is running hot and causing the crashes cos this is known as a hot chip. I measured the chip and it's approximately 37.5mm x 37.5 mm whereas the Ninja baseplate is only 36mm x 27mm usable area as the edges appear to be curved and not in full contact with the chip surface. Is there some modification of the Ninja that will make a bigger base plate on the heatsink or something to completely cover the cpu? I am very pleased with the Ninja on my own computer (Q6700) and would like to get it working if possible on this other box even though I know it's an older chip. Now I am looking at the review of the all copper Ninja and the baseplate looks bigger and doesn't have the curved edges, can someone tell me the dimensions of the baseplate contact surface for this new model plz?
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#2 (permalink) 05-13-2008, 11:58 AM
chuangzu Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Midlands, Great Britain Posts: 4	Hello, is anybody home? On holiday?

#3 (permalink) 05-13-2008, 12:19 PM
Shinigami Marketing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hamburg Posts: 851	Hi, well, you got the first Ninja PLUS and we worked out a couple updates since then. Let's get through some of the mentioned points. The part you see on top of the CPU is not the DIE nor Chip. It is a IHS (Integrated Heat Spreader), which is built to spread the heat, that's it. It does not have to be covered fully. The DIE of the Athlon 64 X2 is covered more than enough which means it will be cooled as it should. The new version was modified and is rather square now, the base is thinner and is nickel plated. Ninja PLUS Rev. A is still good enough for a X2 on socket 939, check the temps please. Indeed, we had a public Holiday on Monday __________________ * Register and enjoy the official Scythe Forum * Compatibility List for Scythe CPU Coolers

#4 (permalink) 05-13-2008, 12:44 PM
chuangzu Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Midlands, Great Britain Posts: 4	Thanks for the information, I hope you had a nice day off. Now on the box it says "Revision B", the model number is SCNJ-1100P. Is this not Scythe Ninja revision B type? I will replace it and check the temperatures but there is a great deal of crashing almost every time it is booted up, usually this is associated with overheating. What are the exact dimensions of the area which is in contact with the processor for your "all copper ninja" please? I like the look of it and I may well go for one of these if it will help bring the core temperature down? How about the "Scythe Universal Retention Kit", would that do anything to increase the area in contact with the heatsink? Does it have "bolt through"? Are the bolts spring loaded? Is there a heatsink/cooling element on the rear of the mobo at all?
	Last edited by chuangzu; 05-13-2008 at 12:50 PM.

#5 (permalink) 05-13-2008, 01:01 PM
Shinigami Marketing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hamburg Posts: 851	Hey, thanks, it was pretty nice, even it is rare to have a public Holiday in Germany. Sorry, the Ninja CU is also different compared to Ninja PLUS (A & B). The Base dimensions are 38x38mm. The performance of Ninja CU is better as you can expect. To be honest with you, it is not necessarily the Overheating that brings down the System. It was running fine before Vista, right? Did you check BIOS Temps? Did you check if the Cooler is sitting tight? Was something changed recently, new hardware? More details appreciated to solve the problem. You can buy a Ninja CU, but ou might have some hard time to get it, because it is a very limited edition of 5000pcs worldwide. As I said, we sell Ninja PLUS for a long time and Athlon X2 is getting old as well, but it is not a problem to not cover the whole IHS __________________ * Register and enjoy the official Scythe Forum * Compatibility List for Scythe CPU Coolers

#6 (permalink) 05-22-2008, 11:10 PM
chuangzu Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Midlands, Great Britain Posts: 4	update Ok I am using Coretemp and it's idling at about 35 deg C per core. Even under load it's not maxing above 45C. Now I have the ninja copper and I put that in, I was very careful to make sure of good contact with the IHS of the chip. It's idling around 32-36 deg C now even after several hours and it's been a warm day. The base plate is much bigger and has a nice and shiny machined mirror finish contact surface. I've stepped the processor down to run at 1600mhz and still problems but anyway if coretemp is accurate I'm guessing the problem is not with the Ninja but as you say probably the mobo, chip and Vista64 simply don't get along. Now I have put heat spreaders on the ram and a ram cooler plus an extra case fan and I've switched off the extra graphics stuff with Vista to run for performance only, so far so good fingers crossed. Thanks anyway for your concern and your follow-up email that was very thoughtful. Cheers.