Temperatures ASUS P5E3 Deluxe - Page 3

Oli · #21 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 01:11 PM

One has to admit that QX9650 is a rather EXTREME CPU. You shouldn't be too afraid - tjunction of this CPU is 105 degrees Celsius. And your CPU doesn't run with 100% load all the time.

I believe up to 75 degrees would be ok for your CPU. Anyway water cooling will also be possible but without Mugen naturally.

Did you try a push/pull setup with two fans on your Mugen? I believe your CPU could stay much cooler but as we don't know the rest of your setup especially the airflow situation it's rather difficult to make suggestions.

Please remember that your graphics card ASUS EN9800 GX2 is also a "monster" concerning temps. Those two rather extreme parts are heating up each other.

As you're using those highend components (especially in the way of power consumption) you should really think about watercooling for both components (CPU & GPUs).

Bye Oli

antonka · #22 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oli

One has to admit that QX9650 is a rather EXTREME CPU. You shouldn't be too afraid - tjunction of this CPU is 105 degrees Celsius. And your CPU doesn't run with 100% load all the time.

I believe up to 75 degrees would be ok for your CPU. Anyway water cooling will also be possible but without Mugen naturally.

Did you try a push/pull setup with two fans on your Mugen? I believe your CPU could stay much cooler but as we don't know the rest of your setup especially the airflow situation it's rather difficult to make suggestions.

Please remember that your graphics card ASUS EN9800 GX2 is also a "monster" concerning temps. Those two rather extreme parts are heating up each other.

As you're using those highend components (especially in the way of power consumption) you should really think about watercooling for both components (CPU & GPUs).

Bye Oli

Hi Oli,

I Am attaching the pics of my current cooling. By the way how to install 2nd fan? I have already 1 infront of the radiator. Should it be placed in the back? Where to connect it in terms of socket? I have no more fan sockets left on the motherboard. Are you in Hamburg? Can I drop in to take 1 fan?
What are actually water cooling for VGA cards? I have not seen any of those.... Actually I also do not know much about water cooling for CPU either...

Oli · #23 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 01:40 PM

One of the Scythe staff members has to comment on this - I am just a user as you are.

Water cooling can be expanded to CPU, GPU, northbride, power supply or whatever part needs to be cooled. It is a just question of costs.

And it's a whole new topic. Perhaps you should start reading the FAQs in the boards related to water cooling.

If you're German you could start with forumdeluxx.de where is a section for watercooling. It is at least as "complicated" as cooling with air. There are out-of-the-box solutions as well as customized ones. For the inside of your case and for the outside of it.

You can easily (if you have enough room!) attach a second fan to the other side of Mugen for push/pull setup (you need the fan and an additional pair of fan clips). This can help.

Even more important is a good airflow that guarantees that the hot air produced by CPU/Mugen und the heat from the topside of your GPUs is blown out of the case - as a side effect blowing the heat out also delivers a cold airflow from the front.
To achieve a perfect result with a hot system there will be much testing and optimization necessary. Sometimes it's a long road but it's possible.

As I can see on your pics you already use the max of fans. As for the power supply for the fan: there are cables to slit up one of the boards molex connectors to support 2 fans at a time.

For the airflow test: do your CPU temps heavily decrease when you open the side panel of your case? If not then there's not much room for airflow improvement I'm afraid.

Did you already undervolt your CPU? It should also be possible with QX9650. You will gain some degrees by this.

Bye Oli

antonka · #24 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 01:54 PM

Hi,

Thanks for reply. Yep I live in Germany but not a native so for me english is still better solution. When I take off a side of the housing I get 6 - 7 �C reduction. Probably I will go to dealer to take 1 additinal fan for Mugen. I have 3 smaller fans in front (92cm) and 1 bigger fan in the back together with 2 fans of PSU.
Really I want to avoif water as longer as possible since a) I never used that, b) I do not want to bring some water into my system( leakage etc.)

So hopefully I will get away with couple additinal fans. WHat do you think?

Oli · #25 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 02:02 PM

If you have 3 free 5.25" slots you could also try Kama Bay. As my rooms are that hot in summer I chose this as a direct air supply for my Mugen while in winter the bottom fan in the case's front is sufficient.

When using Kama Bay you could also (for testing purposes) close the top and bottom holes.

It'll need a lot of testing (especially if you still want an accetable noise level with that many fans and also high speed 92mm versions in use) but in the end I am quite sure you'll find a solution with temps around 70 degrees (MAX). This should be fine.

Bye Oli

hiroshige · #26 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 03:56 PM

Hello antonka,

actually I was working with liquid cooling successfully for quite a long time and I never had any leakages.

I still don't understand your problem. Your QX9650 is of course a hot CPU, but I don't see, that your temperatures are way to high. You will never use your CPU with 100% load just because there are hardly any programs, which are able to use 4 Cores with 100% - except if you would be working in scientific research or something like that.

I think it is normal, that your system has higher temperatures than a mainstream-system, so don't be afraid. This is exactly what I told you in several PNs and Emails.

Cheers,
Stefan

antonka · #27 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 04:02 PM

Hi Stefan, Thanks for clarifications. But would you say an additinal Scythe Fan on the heatsink would help? Where can I get it? Is there a spliter to connect 2 fans to single socket on the mainboard??

Danke im Voraus!

hiroshige · #28 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 04:08 PM

Hello antonka,

I still don't get it: Why do you want to improve something, which is alright?

Cheers,
Stefan

antonka · #29 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 04:13 PM

Hi, Since I got enough space for second fan on heatsink ,why not to use it? Besides GPU temps are also way too hot (around 70 on idle). BUt would it reduce the temps?

hiroshige · #30 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 04:21 PM

Hello antonka,

it should reduce the temperatures, but i think you should somehow toy with the idea to rethink your complete configuration. The way you are cooling your system does not seem to be alright. Just make sure, that you have a constant airflow in your system and measure the temperatures on different places e.g. using our Kama Thermo wireless.

I think, air is accumulating somewhere in your case with the result, so you get higher temperatures than you would expect.

How to solve this, is something you have to do by yourself. Just have a look at the attached image, maybe this could help a bit.

Cheers,
Stefan

#21 (permalink) 06-03-2008, 01:11 PM
Oli Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, in the middle of Europe Posts: 444	One has to admit that QX9650 is a rather EXTREME CPU. You shouldn't be too afraid - tjunction of this CPU is 105 degrees Celsius. And your CPU doesn't run with 100% load all the time. I believe up to 75 degrees would be ok for your CPU. Anyway water cooling will also be possible but without Mugen naturally. Did you try a push/pull setup with two fans on your Mugen? I believe your CPU could stay much cooler but as we don't know the rest of your setup especially the airflow situation it's rather difficult to make suggestions. Please remember that your graphics card ASUS EN9800 GX2 is also a "monster" concerning temps. Those two rather extreme parts are heating up each other. As you're using those highend components (especially in the way of power consumption) you should really think about watercooling for both components (CPU & GPUs). Bye Oli __________________ C2D E6700@3.33Ghz@1,28V / Mugen, Ret Kit & 2x Slip Stream @ 550rpm / summer: idle 37 - load 70 / winter: idle 33 - load 64
	Last edited by Oli; 06-03-2008 at 01:18 PM..

#23 (permalink) 06-03-2008, 01:40 PM
Oli Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, in the middle of Europe Posts: 444	One of the Scythe staff members has to comment on this - I am just a user as you are. Water cooling can be expanded to CPU, GPU, northbride, power supply or whatever part needs to be cooled. It is a just question of costs. And it's a whole new topic. Perhaps you should start reading the FAQs in the boards related to water cooling. If you're German you could start with forumdeluxx.de where is a section for watercooling. It is at least as "complicated" as cooling with air. There are out-of-the-box solutions as well as customized ones. For the inside of your case and for the outside of it. You can easily (if you have enough room!) attach a second fan to the other side of Mugen for push/pull setup (you need the fan and an additional pair of fan clips). This can help. Even more important is a good airflow that guarantees that the hot air produced by CPU/Mugen und the heat from the topside of your GPUs is blown out of the case - as a side effect blowing the heat out also delivers a cold airflow from the front. To achieve a perfect result with a hot system there will be much testing and optimization necessary. Sometimes it's a long road but it's possible. As I can see on your pics you already use the max of fans. As for the power supply for the fan: there are cables to slit up one of the boards molex connectors to support 2 fans at a time. For the airflow test: do your CPU temps heavily decrease when you open the side panel of your case? If not then there's not much room for airflow improvement I'm afraid. Did you already undervolt your CPU? It should also be possible with QX9650. You will gain some degrees by this. Bye Oli __________________ C2D E6700@3.33Ghz@1,28V / Mugen, Ret Kit & 2x Slip Stream @ 550rpm / summer: idle 37 - load 70 / winter: idle 33 - load 64
	Last edited by Oli; 06-03-2008 at 01:46 PM..

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#24 (permalink) 06-03-2008, 01:54 PM
antonka Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 16	Temps Hi, Thanks for reply. Yep I live in Germany but not a native so for me english is still better solution. When I take off a side of the housing I get 6 - 7 �C reduction. Probably I will go to dealer to take 1 additinal fan for Mugen. I have 3 smaller fans in front (92cm) and 1 bigger fan in the back together with 2 fans of PSU. Really I want to avoif water as longer as possible since a) I never used that, b) I do not want to bring some water into my system( leakage etc.) So hopefully I will get away with couple additinal fans. WHat do you think?

#25 (permalink) 06-03-2008, 02:02 PM
Oli Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, in the middle of Europe Posts: 444	If you have 3 free 5.25" slots you could also try Kama Bay. As my rooms are that hot in summer I chose this as a direct air supply for my Mugen while in winter the bottom fan in the case's front is sufficient. When using Kama Bay you could also (for testing purposes) close the top and bottom holes. It'll need a lot of testing (especially if you still want an accetable noise level with that many fans and also high speed 92mm versions in use) but in the end I am quite sure you'll find a solution with temps around 70 degrees (MAX). This should be fine. Bye Oli __________________ C2D E6700@3.33Ghz@1,28V / Mugen, Ret Kit & 2x Slip Stream @ 550rpm / summer: idle 37 - load 70 / winter: idle 33 - load 64

#26 (permalink) 06-03-2008, 03:56 PM
hiroshige Marketing & Support Join Date: May 2008 Location: Hamburg Posts: 645	Hello antonka, actually I was working with liquid cooling successfully for quite a long time and I never had any leakages. I still don't understand your problem. Your QX9650 is of course a hot CPU, but I don't see, that your temperatures are way to high. You will never use your CPU with 100% load just because there are hardly any programs, which are able to use 4 Cores with 100% - except if you would be working in scientific research or something like that. I think it is normal, that your system has higher temperatures than a mainstream-system, so don't be afraid. This is exactly what I told you in several PNs and Emails. Cheers, Stefan __________________ Scythe EU GmbH Support Hamburg Register and enjoy the official Scythe Forum Compatibility List for Scythe CPU Coolers We do not accept unpaid packages! Wir akzeptieren keine unfreien Zusendungen!

#27 (permalink) 06-03-2008, 04:02 PM
antonka Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 16	hi Hi Stefan, Thanks for clarifications. But would you say an additinal Scythe Fan on the heatsink would help? Where can I get it? Is there a spliter to connect 2 fans to single socket on the mainboard?? Danke im Voraus!

#28 (permalink) 06-03-2008, 04:08 PM
hiroshige Marketing & Support Join Date: May 2008 Location: Hamburg Posts: 645	Hello antonka, I still don't get it: Why do you want to improve something, which is alright? Cheers, Stefan __________________ Scythe EU GmbH Support Hamburg Register and enjoy the official Scythe Forum Compatibility List for Scythe CPU Coolers We do not accept unpaid packages! Wir akzeptieren keine unfreien Zusendungen!

#29 (permalink) 06-03-2008, 04:13 PM
antonka Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 16	Hi, Since I got enough space for second fan on heatsink ,why not to use it? Besides GPU temps are also way too hot (around 70 on idle). BUt would it reduce the temps?